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Ask Clonie

  

by Clonie Gowen


November 2005

Clonie,

I have a hard time against aggressive players. I can be at a table where two or three others just bet at every hand (it seems). Even if I am a later position and I end up with A-K, if these guys are already in the pot, I’m not sure what to do. I notice that although they lose money playing so much, they usually end up leading in chips. What can I do against these people?

- Thank you, Vik

Vik,

Many players seem to have trouble playing against aggressive players. Players who play a lot of hands and are able to get lucky can quickly build up a large chip stack. If they don’t change gears and slow down, however, they will just as quickly bleed those chips back when the luck evens out. When I hold a hand like A-K against these types of players, I will usually attempt to isolate them. A-K figures to be the best hand against those players who have very low starting-hand standards. The best thing you can do in the situation you have described is to make a very large re-raise and attempt to isolate them. If you hit a good flop to your AK, then use their aggression against them and let them bluff into you. Once you knock down their chip stacks they will be less likely to continue playing so aggressively.


Clonie,

I’m struggling with the concept of pot odds. I’ve read about them, but they are still over my head. Can you help with this example? The pot was 6,4000; I held Jd 8h; the board was 9c 10s 4c 10d Jc. My opponent bet 6,400. I called. My opponent held a flush. Were the odds right? Should I have called?

- Thanks, J McCaffrey

Dear J,

This is not the typical situation where pot odds would come into play. When you are trying to figure out your pot odds, you are usually drawing to a hand and you need to figure out if there is enough money in the pot for your draw to be profitable, compared with the amount of times you will hit that draw.

In the situation you are describing, your decision is whether or not to call with a pretty weak hand when your opponent makes a pot size bet into you. In this case, there is 12,800 in the pot and it costs you 6,400 to make the call. This means that you are getting exactly 2-1 on your money. In other words, you will win two times as much as you have to invest if you win the pot. When your opponent makes a bet like this on the board you have described, you must decide if he is bluffing or not. All you hold is a jack with a weak kicker and, in this case, that is either likely to be the best hand by far, or the worst hand by far. It is unlikely your opponent is making that bet with a hand like Q-J.

If your opponent is the type of player who will make a big bet on the river on a pure bluff, and you are confident he will do that half of the time, (1 out of 2 times, since you are getting 2-1 on your money) then you can make the call. Only the most aggressive players will bluff that often, though, so most of the time you should figure you are way behind here and fold this hand.


Clonie,

I was playing in a No Limit Hold’em tourney on FTP and came across this situation. What are your thoughts? I was 33rd of 35 (with 27 getting paid). I sat under the gun with 3,500 in chips. The blinds were 300/600 with a 75 ante. I got dealt Ad Jd and raised to 1,200. There were a few folders, then a raise to 3,500 (by a stack of 9000), followed by a few more folders and an all in by the button to 5,500. Should I a) call, or b) fold. What should I have done from the start of the hand?

Thank you, Kevin

Kevin,

There are a couple of major problems with your play on this hand. You have 3,500 in chips and, with 35 players left, there should have been 8 or 9 players at your table. With a small blind of 300, a big blind of 600 – and we’ll call it 8 antes of 75 each – there was 1,500 in the pot to start the hand. With 3500 in chips you have about 2.33 times the size of the pot. This is known as your “M”. Anytime you have an “M” of 4 or less your only move when you are first to act should be all in. By only doubling the big blind, you are still committing yourself to the pot but you are also giving other players a chance to play a pot with you cheaply. When the player raises you to 3,500 and the button moves all in, there is 9,700 in the pot that you can win, and it only costs you 2,300 to call. Getting more than 4 to 1 on your money you are forced to call here.

The other problem is in your choice to play the A-J from under the gun at a full or nearly full table. With a short stack and many players left to act behind you, you are much better off waiting for a better position to play your last few chips. If you were in the cutoff position or on the button, and everybody had folded to you, then, by all means, move all in with the suited A-J, otherwise, fold it and wait for a better spot to try to double up.




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