QuoteReplyTopic: The Truth about the real Annie Duke. Posted: 26-May-2005 at 2:01pm
Annie Duke exposed
Annie Duke exposed brought to you by Dan N. (use your brain)
In this post, Ramashiva eloquently paints a picture of the Annie Duke that the inner circles of the poker world knows. He goes on to describe a similar experience to my encounter with her back in 1996. Fascinating stuff:
Ramashiva wrote:
Well, on one occasion of several when I played at the same table with Annie, she was lording it over the table about the fact that she was a doctoral candidate in linguistics, and I am pretty sure she said University of Chicago. But that was nine years ago or so. My memory is certainly not perfect.
I just happen to have been in the linguistics Ph.D. program at the University of Arizona at one time myself, so I tried to strike up a conversation with her about linguistics. As soon as she realized she was in a conversation with a man who was more intelligent than she was, and better educated than she was, and who knew more about linguistics than she did, she suddenly lost all interest in the conversation and said something to the effect of "I am here to play poker, not to discuss linguistics." I felt like saying "Then why did you bring up linguistics, if you did not want to discuss it?" But I said nothing. It was obvious why she brought up the subject of linguistics. It was part of her general attitude of intellectual superiority over a bunch of stupid, uneducated low-limit holdem players.
I have never said another word to Annie since her rude brusque remark to me, but I subsequently played at the same table with her on several occasions, both at the Mirage and the Horseshoe. I have had ample opportunity to observe her rude, obnoxious, totally self-centered behavior. If you are not a poker celebrity, you do not even exist, as far as Annie is concerned. I was an eyewitness on the rail, about six feet from Annie, to the 2000 WSOP incident when she was screaming hysterically about the string bet incident being the worst thing that had ever happened to her in a tournament. Several spectators made comments about what a rude obnoxious bitch she was.
I have also observed confirmatory examples of other behavior which Daniel N. cites, such as her propensity to talk ABOUT other players in their presence. If you are going to insult someone, as Annie frequently does, at least direct your comments to the person you are insulting. After the little linguistics incident, on another occasion, she talked ABOUT me in a very insulting and derogatory manner to the other players. This rude behavior went on for many hours, during which time I was staring holes through her every time she started talking ABOUT me. She never once made eye contact with me. One of my friends, who was also in the game, reported that after I left, someone asked her who I was. Even though she knew my name, or at least we had introduced ourselves when we were still on speaking terms, and had played with me on several occasions, she replied that she had no idea who I was, and that she had never seen me before in her life.
Like I said, if you are not a poker celebrity, you do not even exist as far as Annie is concerned, except as an object of derision and ridicule.
I'm often asked what makes me think that this woman is such a low life. Here are just a few examples of facts that make up what this woman truly is as far as I‘m concerned. For those of you who don't care to read it, you can stop now and save your complainin':
1) Wanna Split it?- Playing in a stud 8 or better side game, Annie was heads up with one other player. After much betting it appeared as though Annie had the high hand and the other had a low made by sixth street. The player with the low board asked if she wanted to split it. Annie said, "Yeah, ok". The player threw his hand toward the muck expecting the dealer to start chopping the pot, when Annie said, "Wait, only if you have a low I mean." Once she said yes however, the pot should ethically be split. Despite virtually everyone in the game explaining to Annie that once she says yes to a chop, she has to chop. She wouldn't budge. Finally, after much hysteria she decided to give the player back ONLY the money he put into the pot. Had the tables been turned, she's still be blue in the face about how unfair that was.
2) I swear on my kids!- Annie habitually leans over to look at the cards of the person sitting beside her in a game, whether they like it or not. Well one day one of the players was fed up with her sweating her neighbor's hole cards and he spoke up about it. She obliged saying, "Ok, I won't look anymore." Not an hour later, a triple draw hand comes up, and she is caught red handed looking at her neighbor's hole cards again. This time the player objected furiously, "I told you to stop looking at your neighbor's cards!" To which she replies, "I SWEAR ON MY CHILDREN I WASN'T". This was an absolute lie. She saw EXACTLY what card her neighbor got and ANNOUNCED the hand before it was turned over, also saying something to the effect of, "Oh you would have made it anyway." **A 4 had been flashed that would have been her neighbor's card. Instead she received a 6 to complete a 2-3-5-6-7, which is the third best hand in 2-7 triple draw (the 4 would have been the mortal nuts).** Later, Annie falsely claimed that the player who was upset with her threw a chair AT HER. Again, impossible.
3) Just checkin'- Playing in a one table satellite for the main event at the WSOP, Annie was up against Tony Ma and Dan Alspach. Tony moved all in on the button, Annie folded in the small blind and Dan began studying. After some time, Dan folded his hand, and Tony threw his cards towards the muck telling Dan "Aces. I had two Aces." Well after the hand hits the muck, Annie GRABS THE HOLECARDS, LOOKS AT THEM, and says "Just checkin‘" as if she had done nothing wrong.
4) Sitting in a short handed 300-600 mixed game in 1999 I was unfortunate enough to have to sit beside Annie. Again, she has a simple rule that she lives by, "It's ok for me to look at your hole cards when I am out of a hand but I can't show you mine because I can't give away any information". Niiiice. Anyway, after about 30 minutes of her sweating my hole cards, I KINDLY say, "I'd actually prefer it if you didn't look at my hole cards since we are short handed and all." (5 handed at the time). About 15 minutes later, another player sits down in the game making it six handed. So know after I've raised before the flop and she'd folded, she looks over at my hole cards again. This time saying, "It's six handed, I can look now". Niiiice.
5) Oh my God, it's so my seat- On a Monday night Annie walked into the poker room to put her name on a list. When the seat opened up, the floor man called out a name that wasn't yet present. Annie said, "If he's not here it's my seat." To which the floor man replied, "He's just outside, he's on his way." "Oh my God no way! You can't do that! You can't **** up a seat if you aren't even here!" After much bickering the poor floor man succumbed and gave her the seat. Wednesday night, EXACT same scenario, only this time Annie was the one who was first up on the list but not present at the time the seat was called. Now this time, she is arguing for the OPPOSITE ruling. "Oh my God, I was right here. I was here to put my name on the list. I didn't even leave the building" (how the floor man is supposed to know that is anyone's guess). Anyway, after throwing yet another hissy fit she got that seat too. This is one of Annie's common practices: "Argue NOT for what's fair and just, argue only for what benefits you." Niiice.
6)This is the worst thing that has ever happened to me in a tournament- At the WSOP main event in 1999, Annie was involved in a pot with another player who had limped under the gun. Annie raised the limper from the button with A-7 offsuit. When it got back to the limper, he went to make a raise, but DIDN"T SAY RAISE, and then went back to his stack to raise even more. Well, in any no limit tournament that is considered a string raise. Not always called, but it's a string raise nonetheless. Well, another player, Steve Kaufman, called the string raise to the dealer's attention. To which Annie shouted, "Oh my God, you're not even in the pot! What are you doing! Oh my God, this is the worst thing that even happened to me in a tournament!" etc. She was upset with the fact that she had now been raised the minimum by the limper and was "forced" to call the extra 60,000 raise. After lambasting Mr.Kaufman for something he had EVERY RIGHT to do, she ended up flopping an ace and WINNING the pot because of the called string raise. "Well maybe that was the BEST thing that ever happened to me in a tournament." Snort, snort, giggle, giggle.
7) Cup Boy- Finally, my first ever meeting of this woman was at the Four Queens in 1996 when I was just barely 22. Up to that point I'd had virtually no success in tournaments in the US, but was eager to learn from the so called "superstars" of the game.
** Before I go any further, It's important to give you a little background info. At the club I played in in Toronto, we had no bottled water, just purified water you could get from the gallon. So I'd fill up a Styrofoam cup with water, and when it was empty, would leave it hanging from my lips so the porter wouldn't take it away and I'd have to waste another cup. This became somewhat of a habit you could say.**
So here I am in this tournament, where across from me was this woman and another well known tournament player. This woman doesn't know me from Adam, but goes out of her way to ridicule and make me feel like an outsider. As though I didn't belong in her "clique". After witnessing her behavior I was pretty sure I didn't want any part of that "clique" anyway. KNOWING I could hear every word she was saying, she says to her "clique" member, "Oh my God, what's up with cup boy over there. I wonder what that cup's all about. You think it's for medical reasons." She then went on to giggle arrogantly. At this point I actually spoke up and said, "If you'd really like to know there is actually a pretty normal reason for it?" Apparently acknowledging my existence may have looked less "too cool to talk to the low limit players" if you know what I mean. In conclusion., with two odd tables to go I play a hand against her in which SHE WINS. I had a good amount of chips at this point and she was all in for less than a bet on the river. I had actually bet the turn with a draw, and checked the river when I made a pair. The board was (10-8-2) A- J. I held Q-J in the blind and called her raise from middle position. I checked and called the flop, and bet the ace on the turn hoping to steal it. On the river I made jacks, but didn't think she would call me with a worse hand but may check a better hand or even bluff. That's not important though. What is important, is that she berated me for playing the hand that way! "Oh my God, if you were going to call on the river anyway why didn't you just bet?? I mean, oh you know what forget about it. I shouldn‘t be educating." I was beyond puzzled, but to be completely honest slightly embarrassed. I was there alone and knew no one in the tournament whatsoever. At the time I wasn't certain if I actually made a horrendous error or not. I may have spoken 20 words the entire tournament, and couldn't fathom why someone would want to be so mean to a complete stranger? Anyway, I later thought about the hand and realized that she was absolutely WRONG about the correct strategy in that situation. Considering the information I had, I played the river just fine.
Couple years go by, I get lucky and win a few tournaments… and all of a sudden she is all nice to me. Phony nice of course, but nice nonetheless. The more I got to know this woman however, the more I was witness to her true colors and the more I disliked her. Despite making my BEST efforts to tolerate her obnoxious personality I no longer wanted to put up with it. The only thing I'm sorry about in all this, is what it has done to many of my friends who happen to have thicker skin than I and can tolerate Annie. It puts them in a peculiar position. That I regret. Other than that, NOTHING I've ever said to her, or about her is something I'd ever consider apologizing for. Those are my true feelings… and I sleep well..
You see, I don't NEED to be Mr. Phony Nice Guy, all I gots to be is who I is. I ain't gonna say what y'all want me to say, I'm onna say wazz on my minds when I feels like it. Na' I mean? Damn straight.
Don't get me wrong I've done some pretty stupid things in my time. I'm not afraid or worried about what anyone has to say about me, it's all out there. I have few secrets if anyway. I been broke, blew some stake money, loaned railbirds, staked deadbeats, been on the borrow, all kinds of bad decisions. That's real. In all honestly though, I ain't NEVER disrespected no man or no woman unless they had it comin'. I was never one to see bullies get their way, and I was never one to close my eyes and shut my mouth when I see somethin' I don't like. I keep hearing, "But Danny, this isn't in your best interest. "Danny just go with the flow and don't rock the boat." Hell no!
You a cheat, I'll say so. You a bi-atch-- I'll say so. You a angle shooter, I'll let my peoples know. You a fraud? huh, I'll expose you and feel no way…y'understan?
I don't know how much of the above is truth or fiction, however from watching her play in all the tournaments on T.V. I definitely do get a sense that she is self absorbed, arrogant, rude, and other unpleasant names.
I think she has issues from her childhood, especially being the younger sister of a very intelligent man. And have you seen her personal oral hygene? Her teeth are just nasty, especially for someone that has alot of money.
Steve "AM ALL IN" Lobdell AKA I forced RndTblKnght to accept 2nd place in the 3rd Bluff Tourney thus ruining his dreams of a Hat Trick
She's been nice to me on the rare occasions I had to meet her. Likely
she won't remember me, but she didn't display ANY of the qualities
described here.
Although, I'm kinda cute, and she did get divorced shortly after...
maybe it depends on the guys she's playing with. If you're a troll, she
treats you like one? lol
Man oh Man I got to put in my 2 cents, since thats all it's worth these days, ANNIE IS HOT Ive held a crush for YEARS for this woman. Oral hygene or not! She's Hot. Any thing else said is personal experience, keep it that way ,PERSONAL. why oh why would you TRY and ruin my CRUSH? This is the 2nd bashing post Ive read by you , I really would NOT want to read another.
MOMMA ALWAYS SAID, "IF YOU CANT SAY ANYTHING NICE, DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL." I thought all Mom's said that to their kids........guess not
Bashing Post? I was merely commenting on an already posted topic.
I've never met the woman, just giving my observations.
Steve, my post wasn't intended at you, you said upfront it was an Observation and sense you got from watching her on TV, The Topic posted was. The only other post I have read from this member was on KJ, and I felt it was a Bashing post also. sorry for any confusion .
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