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    Posted: 19-February-2006 at 5:33am

BLUFFERS and BLUFFETTES:

Sorry I've been quiet the last few days. I'm trying to finish the article for the April issue. Of course, I also have all these conflicts when it comes to posting information here: competing with myself by giving out what I'm trying to sell (to BLUFF or that BLUFF is trying to sell to you), risking the close and occasionally confidential relationships that I have with Andy Beal and several of the players, losing my front row (well, Table 3, Seat 7) seat.

But if I do post anything, I want to post it all in the same topic, and I decided on this one, Big-Game Hunter. Keep looking for other great info and discussion elsewhere and feel free to chip in with questions and opinions, but I'm going to try, for my part, IF I post something about the Andy Beal games at the Wynn, to post it here.

Maybe BLUFF will ask me to post somewhere else on the site. (I'll mention it here if I do.) Maybe they'll pay me for providing news, information, profiles, analysis, etc. (We all know how money can lower someone's reluctance.)

But I REALLY started this post to tell you one piece of news:

IT ISN'T OVER.

I'll elaborate later. It's just a question of how much later.

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  Quote Quackpot Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19-February-2006 at 6:08am
OK, now you're just being mean! 
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  Quote RndTblKnght Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19-February-2006 at 8:54am
Originally posted by MichaelCraig

BLUFFERS and BLUFFETTES:

Sorry I've been quiet the last few days. I'm trying to finish the article for the April issue. Of course, I also have all these conflicts when it comes to posting information here: competing with myself by giving out what I'm trying to sell (to BLUFF or that BLUFF is trying to sell to you), risking the close and occasionally confidential relationships that I have with Andy Beal and several of the players, losing my front row (well, Table 3, Seat 7) seat.

But if I do post anything, I want to post it all in the same topic, and I decided on this one, Big-Game Hunter. Keep looking for other great info and discussion elsewhere and feel free to chip in with questions and opinions, but I'm going to try, for my part, IF I post something about the Andy Beal games at the Wynn, to post it here.

Maybe BLUFF will ask me to post somewhere else on the site. (I'll mention it here if I do.) Maybe they'll pay me for providing news, information, profiles, analysis, etc. (We all know how money can lower someone's reluctance.)

But I REALLY started this post to tell you one piece of news:

IT ISN'T OVER.

I'll elaborate later. It's just a question of how much later.

Michael Craig

Im hanging off the cliff with only my pinky finger holding on; Im about to fall and cant hang on much longer!!!  SAVE ME!!!!  DON"T LEAVE ME HANGING!!!!!

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  Quote MichaelCraig Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19-February-2006 at 11:04am

My apologies for being so vague. I have to talk with a few people before I can disclose much more, but Andy is back in Las Vegas. Discussions to resume the game started while he was still standing at the table on Wednesday afternoon after winning the group's last $3.8 million from Ted Forrest.

It's not easy physically putting together the bankroll, and the situation was complicated enormously by most of the players being in L.A. for the Commerce WPT Final. For an instant, it looked like Andy was going to follow the last few players out of town and resume the game on Thursday or Friday at the Commerce.

The details of who said they were going to put a bankroll together, why Beal stuck around the Wynn Wed. afternoon, and why he eventually left town may be in the article I'm finishing right this minute, so I'll either disclose them later or in the April issue. But Andy believed based on what he heard that day that they would have a bankroll together (a) later that day, or (b) in a few days. The uncertainty was because it was unclear whether he was suddenly dealing with ONE or TWO groups.

He returned on Friday, on the simple belief that if they were getting their money together and he wanted to play, he wanted to be at the Wynn when it happened.

More later, after I talk with the people I need to talk with - and hit my deadline for the April issue.

Michael Craig

P.S. - Did anyone ever explain why the match is going forward at the Wynn?

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  Quote KSPDold Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19-February-2006 at 1:18pm
2 groups?

No, why the Wynn?
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  Quote RndTblKnght Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19-February-2006 at 2:08pm

Wow; Im just giving you a hard time Michael.   It is a great story and I am full of anticipation waiting for it as I know many others are as well.  Thank you for all the information you have brought us to this point.

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  Quote MichaelCraig Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19-February-2006 at 10:57pm

Andy Beal told me that the match will continue at the Wynn on Tuesday at noon. They expect to be playing $30,000-$60,000. 

Would Phil Ivey be an interesting match for Andy Beal in the opening session?

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  Quote JaRubin Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19-February-2006 at 11:22pm
I think Ivey would be a great match for Andy, and I am not talking about his skill level. My reason is that Andy has played against very little over the years, so it may take longer for him to get a read of him. At the same time Ivey probably has a better read on him since I am sure Brunson, Harmon, and Forrest are going to share their opinions with him about Beal's play. As much as I like Beal's chances against those three individuals by the time he gets a read on Ivery he could be far down. When playing from behind Beal has often struggled like most poker players.
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  Quote MichaelCraig Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19-February-2006 at 11:51pm

Originally posted by JaRubin

I think Ivey would be a great match for Andy, and I am not talking about his skill level. My reason is that Andy has played against very little over the years, so it may take longer for him to get a read of him. At the same time Ivey probably has a better read on him since I am sure Brunson, Harmon, and Forrest are going to share their opinions with him about Beal's play. As much as I like Beal's chances against those three individuals by the time he gets a read on Ivery he could be far down. When playing from behind Beal has often struggled like most poker players.

You picked the right horse, Rubin, though I can't say I automatically agree with your reasoning. Ivey vs. Beal should be a great match. Andy skill, training, and preparation are unconventional and have proven successful. Ivey is regarded as the best poker player in the world, and that may be accurate. But ....

1. It doesn't appear anyone has been holding Ivey back. Somehow, he hasn't been one of the $100,000-$200,000 players against Beal in the 2004 games. He did play Andy for two days at $30,000-$60,000 back in May 2004 and they broke even. (Ivey may have come out ahead by one or two bets.) And he didn't play in the $50,000-$100,000 games of Feb. 1-5 and Feb. 12-15. He came by the room a few times. I heard several people who had shares in the group say they thought he was going to play. But he never played.

2. As I said, they have played for 2 days. Ivey didn't seem to get any read on Beal then, and Andy is probably a better player now.

3. Throw out preconceived notions. "Ivey is super aggressive." "Beal plays only heads-up." Ivey obviously can play every time of game, every type of circumstance. But Andy Beal only plays this game and this circumstance. The universe of things he has to adapt to is smaller, and he has trained himself to adapt to them. Ivey could be better than Todd Brunson, Jennifer Harman, and Ted Forrest, but can you say that their play was somehow deficient, or they exposed some kind of weakness, that couldn't be present in Ivey's play?

4. Don't overestimate the value of being on a team. Some of these people don't communicate well with each other. A lot of poker success at these levels depends on things you can't really communicate. It's not as if Todd can tell Phil, "When Andy puts his hand on his chin, he's bluffing." If Beal is giving off signals, it is not something for which you can write an instruction manual. If it was, Jennifer Harman wouldn't have lost $5 million after winning $1 million the first time.

It will be an interesting match, and hopefully a memorable one. But I'd love to get a bet down on Beal at the kind of odds implied by what many people are saying on the Internet. I'd be surprised if even the pros think Andy is more than a slight underdog.

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  Quote Quackpot Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20-February-2006 at 12:01am
Originally posted by MichaelCraig

It will be an interesting match, and hopefully a memorable one. But I'd love to get a bet down on Beal at the kind of odds implied by what many people are saying on the Internet. I'd be surprised if even the pros think Andy is more than a slight underdog.

Michael Craig

 
I'm with you there Michael.  He's already proven he's capable of beating anyone they've thrown at him.  It takes a lot more than just luck to do that.
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