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  Quote A-kline Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Yesterday at 12:46am
well i guess this site thinks a good read is a bad play. 90% of the time, Im not going to make this play .  This time i did , because i felt like I had the best hand . Turns out i did, dont see that as a  bad play. Yes i got unlucky and he caught a 2 on the river. You gotta risk chips to win chips. I still had about 6k and blinds where not an issue. I ended up cashing in the top 18. To me that's good for a person that normally plays nothing over a 10 dollar buyin . I won that seat through 2 satellites, and i wasnt playing to cash i was playing to win. At the end my AA ended up getting cracked against KK , cant be mad at the guy for pushing over top of me with KK pre flop, but what am i gonna do fold?  I guess me calling that allin was a bad play also lol.  I was reading on a diffrent site where 3 great online players disagreed on the same exact hand , all three of them had diffrent ways off how they played them gl all
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  Quote actyper Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Yesterday at 1:06am
BB with 10bbs and me holding AQ, i'm calling 99.9% of the time.  Though I would never limp AQ in EP without a plan.  
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  Quote SteveBH1977 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Yesterday at 1:13am
I agree with your decision to play AQ.  But, I don't agree with the limp call, that's all.

I will call allin with AQ when pot committed.  Otherwise, it isn't worth the risk, even if I believe I am ahead.  Because given 5 cards to come, anything can happen, that is why they are just "odds" not "realities".

If I were you, I just shove pre and be happy to take down the blinds.  If I get called, I am not too upset as we beat a lot of hands.
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  Quote TheNewRiver Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Yesterday at 8:57am
Originally posted by actyper

BB with 10bbs and me holding AQ, i'm calling 99.9% of the time.  Though I would never limp AQ in EP without a plan.  
Exactly, Not raising because you have had bad luck with AQ is ridiculous. If you planned on trapping a shove from AJK than well played. I don't mind the risk considering his range contains several acex hands. It is that you don't understand his move that really bothers me. He knew you would fold a high percentage of open limped hands. It just so happened that you had a hand worth limp calling because you are superstitious not because of a well laid trap.
Why are so many of the new posters supernits who cry whenever a big hand gets busted? It is ruining the poker discussion here. Just one complaint about a bad beat after another. Also some of the advice to basically play even tighter and weaker is beytond reason. In a tournament you must accumulate chips. With escalting blinds it is imperative to play more than the top 10% of hands and hope for the best. Good luck at the tables nits. you will need it since your results are completely card dependent.


Sorry about the recent rants, but I feel like I am talking poker in 2005 with most of you. Listen to teddy, AC, and steve. They have a solid understanding of tournies and their advice can really help ones game.
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  Quote abwil Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Yesterday at 7:52pm
Well the rest of us are glad ur hands are holding when they should but for the rest of us we are sick and F-n tired of the donkey push getting rewarded and then people jump on the one who was right in the first place for btching about a BS  hand winning. Noone ever thought of being on the bad beat persons side? NO heaven forbid people call out the donkey play not online anyway

He called out of position for a reason(AJK was doing it alot with trash) why would someone in the sb or bb think it would be OK to push a DONKEY hand. I mean COME ON your either used to beating people with crap or just a plain DONKEY.
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  Quote TheNewRiver Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Yesterday at 9:32pm
Originally posted by abwil

Well the rest of us are glad ur hands are holding when they should but for the rest of us we are sick and F-n tired of the donkey push getting rewarded and then people jump on the one who was right in the first place for btching about a BS  hand winning. Noone ever thought of being on the bad beat persons side? NO heaven forbid people call out the donkey play not online anyway

He called out of position for a reason(AJK was doing it alot with trash) why would someone in the sb or bb think it would be OK to push a DONKEY hand. I mean COME ON your either used to beating people with crap or just a plain DONKEY.
He pushed the hand not because of hand value but fold equity. If you do not understand this no wonder all you do is complain about rigged online play. I am not faulting the call just the logic in the over all thought process of the hand. If you call there you have to expect to be 60/40 at best. Its a gamble. I take the gamble every time to accumulate chips and if I lose so be it.
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  Quote PokerZombie Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Yesterday at 9:58pm

I'm going to agree with everyone here and start with the most important one

 
The shove with 6-2 offsuit is not just a good shove, but correct in this situation.
The call with AQ is not a bad call, it is a good call, but not a fantastic one. Folding here is almost as +EV as calling, especially since as a good player AJhoosier would know better than to make this move with a dominated hand.
I fold AQ here for the same reasons I'd fold 55-I'm ahead, but not by enough for me to risk alot of my stack.
 
There are several of us who could explain the math behind this reasoning, and I assure you there is plenty of it to justify both the push with any two cards, but also folding the generally strong AQ here. Simply- in a cash game it's a pretty fine call since its likely the best odds in the casino at the moment, but in a tourny before the cash bubble folding isn't mandatory, but is the better play. Why? To improve your chances of making money, not just increasing your chip count.
 
 
That being said Daniel Negreanau did write an article in favor of these calls but I believe that feeling is largely ego. Since he is an elite 'pro' if he doesn't have chips in a tourny it isn't worth his time since he could be making tons in a cash game.
 
 
 
Edit-Also consider the hypocrisy of your thought process. It is easier to get away from if someone comes over the top, someone did and you didn't fold? 
It is better to raise here so the price is better to call if someone does come over the top all in for 20-30% of your stack total since you are really only calling 10-20% for 2-1ish on your money. The pot wasn't enough in your situation to warrant a risk of 3-2.
If you make this call twice in every tournament you are almost guaranteed to bust out every tournament you play.
 
Also when you are reraised by someone with a bigger stack you can be assured they have a hand that dominates you, or at best you are racing against. And you don't want to limp an fold to a big raise from someone with KQ or AJ who is punishing the Limp.


Edited by PokerZombie - Yesterday at 10:09pm
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  Quote TheNewRiver Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Today at 12:30am
Great post Zombie. The only point I would like to add is that I think simply cashing is overrated on this forum. the money is so concentrated on the final table in tourneys it is necessary to take certain risks to give yourself a better chance at a deep finish. I am aware of the bubble and not overly reckless when I near cashing but realize one final table is worth several mincashes.
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  Quote A-kline Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Today at 12:56am
I talked to ajkhoosier1 about the hand, He said he didnt realize any one else was in the hand. Newriver Im crying about the hand? this is a BADBEAT forum . If your tired of people talking about there bad beats , why even look at the bad beat section??? I dont care what you say. You didnt no my thoughts during the hand. Are you mad at the fact that i got a read on AJKhoosier1 . Not even a read he went allin 5 out 6 times on the button. I had to call him, I was sure i had the best hand, and the call wouldnt hurt me . It would of built my stack. You calling people crybabys on this site isnt right either. You dont like the bad beat forum , dont reply negative reply's . New posters crying all the time? I have been a member for awhile now. I dont post that often cause of ***** like you!
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  Quote PokerZombie Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Today at 1:33am
TNR- In micro/low limit mtts I don't count the 'bubble' until it's like the 5-6th level of payouts :p. With a larger buy in I'm poor so I'm ok with the 2-3x my 50-200 dollar payout of a mincash. I also feel those mincashes are buy ins for a future tournament with a chance at having a larger at the bubble stage (does that make sense at all?). Whether I'm playing live or online, my poker money is my poker money and I want to invest it just like I would want to do well at my job or in the stock market (speaking of which, up 30% this weeK!)
 
A-Kline-Just because you had the best hand DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD CALL. That is a common fallacy. The call wouldn't hurt you? It was a third of your stack...
You don't want us to criticise? Then don't post at all.
You want to be obtuse and and learn anything? Go live in a cave.
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