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  Quote JaRubin Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23-June-2008 at 10:15pm
PokerJoeK, just because we love playing in it does not make it a sport. Don't compare the WSOP final table to the Super Bowl or NBA Championship. Also, the reason for the 3 month delay is to properly promote the event, and show the earlier days of the main event.
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As an avid player for over 30 years, I like the idea that  a "corporate" sponsor such as ESPN, is taking initiative to "promote" poker in to the mainstream.  There are many opinions of poker, and in most cases to the outsider it is just gambling.  For the many who play you know that it is a game sport of many skils, and the more of those skills mastered the better your indiviual results.  I have read where many have said it is just a "game", and with the, for a lack of a better term "luck" factor I can see your point.  But poker is a sport, as in many sports you master basic skills to improve your game.  Since the intorduction of online poker, the basic skills of reading cards, betting patterns, etc.. are easily improved.  As in any  sport, mastering of the basic skills make you a "good" player but mastering the skils above the basics make you a "great" player.  For example how many "dead money" players know what thier own "tells" are and use them to thier advantage.  Yes the Moneymaker phenon, has brought many players to the felt, and the "pros" of poker had to adjust thier skills to compete with "radical" play.  But as more and more media exposure happens, you are seeing more and more "pros" at final tables.  This is not a coinidence, this is "Great" players mastering higher level of skills to eliminate weaker opponents.  Yes the "luck" factor still plays into the sport, but as does the unusal bounce of a line drive that turns a sure game winning out out into a game winning RBI single.  That is my arguement regarding "game" v.s. "sport".  As for the delaying of the final table, I am not sold on the idea, I am more wait and see.  I am just glad to see that risks are being taken to bring the sport of poker to the masses, and if it brings more "dead money" to my usual game, the sooner to retirement I will be
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As to the sport/game issue. I agree that poker is a highly skilled GAME. It is really going out on a limb to call poker a sport because classifying poker as a sport will open the door to other things such as monopoly being called a sport. There is strategy and advanced knowledge that can help you beat your opponents in Monopoly so why should it not be called a sport? As monopoly is obviously a game I think poker would never have been conisdered a sport if it had not been highlighted on ESPN.
 
I don't think re-opening the world to poker and improving poker as a whole is the main concern with this change to the main event. If the WSOP wanted to improve poker to the masses it would change the Main event from NLH to HORSE or the mixed game where there are 8 different forms of poker played. This would really be a change in pace, breaking tradition, and opening the world to all the different forms of poker. This would be the best change yet, so the beginners or uneducated might actually understand that poker is a group of card games and is not just another way to say no-limit hold 'em.
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  Quote JaRubin Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27-June-2008 at 3:35pm
Originally posted by Phitau_Trucker

I don't think re-opening the world to poker and improving poker as a whole is the main concern with this change to the main event. If the WSOP wanted to improve poker to the masses it would change the Main event from NLH to HORSE or the mixed game where there are 8 different forms of poker played. This would really be a change in pace, breaking tradition, and opening the world to all the different forms of poker. This would be the best change yet, so the beginners or uneducated might actually understand that poker is a group of card games and is not just another way to say no-limit hold 'em.
 
I know they have considered this in the past as I asked Jeffrey Pollack this same question, and he said the reason they have not changed the $10 NLHE event as the ME to either a higher buy-in NLHE event or the HORSE event is simply due to the history and tradition of the WSOP. Either to the knowledgeable fans and professional players the HORSE event really is the main event. Daniel Negreanu has said he considers that the main event, and the NLHE event doesn't interest him nearly as much.
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Personally I feel the 4 month delay takes away from tournament.  The day after day grind to the final table is what makes tournament poker great.  I know I am not alone in thinking it is a huge joke to have the delay so I am not going to watch the final table broadcast.  There are other means to know what is going on while boycotting ESPN.  I suggest anyone who feel like I feel do the same.  It is all about rating and the $ from advertising... no watchers... no ratings... no $... next year we will be back to normal.
 
What was so bad with the PPV anyway... I thought it was great and worth the $.
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  Quote JaRubin Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30-June-2008 at 9:39pm
Originally posted by NCG33

Personally I feel the 4 month delay takes away from tournament.  The day after day grind to the final table is what makes tournament poker great.  I know I am not alone in thinking it is a huge joke to have the delay so I am not going to watch the final table broadcast.  There are other means to know what is going on while boycotting ESPN.  I suggest anyone who feel like I feel do the same.  It is all about rating and the $ from advertising... no watchers... no ratings... no $... next year we will be back to normal.
 
What was so bad with the PPV anyway... I thought it was great and worth the $.
 
I actually enjoyed the PPV event a lot more thna normal televised event, as it was fun trying to put players on hands without seeing the hole cards. However, I would be surprised if they sold more than 50,000 orders for the ME. I am sure they have crunched the numbers, and expected the new format to make up the amount of money they took in from the PPV.
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  Quote joaquin386 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03-July-2008 at 5:06pm
Is there anyway to watch the Main event Live?
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I am a little late to the table here and this news really upset's me.  We planned a trip back in early April with the specfic agenda of seeing the Final Table.  We were actually hoping to see our tax account (2005 runner-up) play as we were joking with him about it when our taxes were getting done.  I guess we will have to go on Monday and see them get to the final 9.

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  Quote ReRounder Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08-July-2008 at 11:47am
Anyone who plays tournaments knows that players run good or run bad from time to time.  A delay would most likely change the momentum and as a benefit to all, could even the field. 
 
That being said, I am curious about the payouts for the final table. 
 
"Each player who makes the final table will receive 9th place money, with the rest of the money being invested. The players would receive interest on that deposited money, not Harrah's." 
Who decides how the player's winnings will be invested?
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  Quote BluffingTons Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09-July-2008 at 2:12pm
How is the interest distributed?
 
I believe the prize pool will be invested in Enron Shares.
 
I believe this 117 day delay is the worst decision ever.
Its not like people are paid to play poker, the total prize pool comes from the players and there is a fee on top of that.
The ME should be about the best poker player not about TV and ratings amd money.
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