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Topic: WSOP to Delay the Main Event Final TablePosted: 01-May-2008 at 3:45pm |
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LAS VEGAS – May 1, 2008 – The World Series of Poker® (WSOP) Presented by Milwaukee’s Best Light today announced a groundbreaking change that will more closely align the televised presentation of the world’s largest, richest and most prestigious poker tournament with other premier sports broadcasts. The last nine players of the $10,000 World Championship of No-Limit Texas Hold’em, known as the Main Event, will compete on November 9-10 instead of the originally scheduled date of July 16. Read the original Harrah's release: http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/news/article.asp?newsid=2008 |
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I love Daniel Negreanu's comments:
The WSOP Blockbuster News Story01 May 2008 So if you haven't heard, the WSOP final table will occur three months after the players make the final table. The final table will take place on November 10th, it will be edited down to a two hour show, and then it will air on the 11th. The show won't look all that much different than WSOP shows in the past.There will be no pay-per-view live feed of the final table this year. Each player who makes the final table will receive 9th place money, with the rest of the money being invested. The players would receive interest on that deposited money, not Harrah's. The reason for the three month delay is so that the WSOP broadcast schedule can air both the preliminary events as well as the lead into the final table. That many episodes takes about three months to air. There isn't time to air all of the main event episodes leading up to the final table so that an "almost live" final table could air immediately after that. The only way to do that is to delay the final table until after the ESPN shows air. This decision obviously will change the dynamic of the final table, but it also offers some great opportunities for poker to get some more mainstream media attention. The nine players at the final table will become quasi celebrities, much like reality TV stars. None of the players would be obligated to do any interviews or media in general, but if they chose to, the opportunities would be there. The way the WSOP main event airs now, the public is usually already aware of who won. The final episode plays out more like a documentary, a la, this is "how they won." That will now change. Everyone will know who is at the final table, but for three months, the question will change to "who will win" which I think is more exciting. You can't air this thing live on ESPN. They will NOT change the structure at all or hurt the integrity of the event, and if you signed a deal to air it live, you'd have to escalate the blinds quickly if it ran long. The closest we can get to live, is "almost live" so that the crew has time to edit the show and turn it around in less than 24 hours. The final table will end very late on the 10th, so late that the outcome will miss the morning papers and media Tuesday morning. Wednesday morning, after the show airs on ESPN, it would hit the papers. Obviously if you go online you'll be able to find out who wins, but if you prefer to watch it "live" you can choose to wait less than 24 hours and watch it Tuesday night. What this is supposed to do (we'll see if it works) is help to create more talk around the water cooler. It's supposed to build up more interest in the final nine players and that final episode where they play for it all. Pros: -more media attention -more hype and build up for pokers premiere event -better ratings for the final episode -makes the WSOP final table more of a sporting event rather than a documentary -follows even more of a reality TV model that has proven to be successful in attracting fans -endorsement opportunities for the players Cons: -All players will have coaches. This can be seen as a pro depending how you look at it, as the play at the final table will be much better. -could very well change the outcome of the eventual winner. -When play starts back up, you'll have no reliable feel or reads on players who could play completely differently three months later. -You could have a no show for various reasons. -More time for players to discuss side deals (the penalty for doing this could be severe, but that doesn't necessarily stop all players from considering it) I'm sure there are more pros and cons, but that is a decent list. All in all, I think this concept has the potential to be a really good thing for poker. If not, well, then we go back to the traditional format next year. Things change. Formats change, tournaments change, sports change. Purists hated the idea of showing your hole cards to a camera, but look at what that's done for poker. Baseball purists hate inter league play, some hockey fans don't like the new NHL with less physical play. Even the game of hold'em changed. It used to be played with just one blind, but that changed and a two blind system was created so there would be more action. I think the poker world should support the efforts here to try and improve the WSOP main event and understand that if it flops, it's not the end of the world. We can always change it back next year. I say, give it a chance. It's a gamble, but hey, aren't we all poker players? |
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Posted: 01-May-2008 at 3:57pm |
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Was reading about this earlier. Sure will stop you if you are on a run.
You will be able to do alot of research on the players you're up against. |
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Posted: 01-May-2008 at 4:31pm |
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If the goal is to build media hype and maximize the money for Harrah's and ESPN this is a real winner of an idea.
However, maybe that is not everybody's goal. I for one liked the pay per view broadcast of every hand, without hole card cameras.
But, like the man said, lets give it a try.
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Posted: 01-May-2008 at 4:34pm |
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We've been discussing this on the thread in the WSOP area called "WTF..." |
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I think we need to clarify what is meant by "helping poker". That definition could be very different things to different people depending on their perspective. It could be any or none of the following:
- Inducing new players to pick up the game seriously. (Helps players in the long run via larger prize pools/more dead money in the game)
- More venues adding poker rooms/tournaments (Helps players and providers)
- More corporate sponsorship (Helps SOME players; more commercial visibility of poker; only valid when profitable for corporations)
-$$ given to players in the form of paid entry fees/sponsorships and/or guaranteed prize pools/money added tournaments (Have yet to see the latter on a WSOP scale)
[Daniel's Pros]
-more media attention
(Could be good in getting support to eliminate UIGEA; could be bad for every cheat/drug addict story that makes headlines)
-more hype and build up for pokers premiere event (Only for those already in the game. Little impact for those not already interested in poker)
-better ratings for the final episode
(Essentially only helps corporations not the players as the players dont share in this increased revenue)
-makes the WSOP final table more of a sporting event rather than a documentary (I disagree with this. Poker is NOT a sport. Its a game. Trying to make it a sport is the wrong move, IMO)
-follows even more of a reality TV model that has proven to be successful in attracting fans
(This helps players how? It helps the game how? if anything it 'Hollywoodizes' poker which may not be a good thing. OK so we may get a few more characters like Phil Helmuth.May help bring people to the game, but then again hasnt method already been achieved 2-4 years ago? Reality TV is on the decline, by the way.)
-endorsement opportunities for the players
(Only helps 9 out of 8,000 players. Hardly any justification for an already top-heavy payout structure.)
Cons: -All players will have coaches. This can be seen as a pro depending how you look at it, as the play at the final table will be much better. -could very well change the outcome of the eventual winner. -When play starts back up, you'll have no reliable feel or reads on players who could play completely differently three months later. -You could have a no show for various reasons. -More time for players to discuss side deals (the penalty for doing this could be severe, but that doesn't necessarily stop all players from considering it) I agree with the cons. It basically changes the outcome of the tournament in every way.
"Things change. Formats change, tournaments change, sports change. Purists hated the idea of showing your hole cards to a camera, but look at what that's done for poker. Baseball purists hate inter league play, some hockey fans don't like the new NHL with less physical play. Even the game of hold'em changed. It used to be played with just one blind, but that changed and a two blind system was created so there would be more action. I think the poker world should support the efforts here to try and improve the WSOP main event and understand that if it flops, it's not the end of the world. We can always change it back next year. I say, give it a chance. It's a gamble, but hey, aren't we all poker players?" What Daniel fails to point out is the changes he's pointing out, except for the televised changes, were made to enhance the play of the game. Delaying the final table changes the outcome by changing the nature of the tournament. Now you can study tapes on your opponents (assuming they have had any TV time, unlikely in this day and age), get coached, cut deals, etc. Im not in favor of that type of ideological change to the game. Edited by TeddyKJeeB - 01-May-2008 at 11:41pm |
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Posted: 02-May-2008 at 12:25am |
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Very good points Erik.
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Posted: 02-May-2008 at 9:09am |
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Is there a contingency if you cannot return in November? ie death, or not allowed to enter the US. Or do you blind out? There would be grounds for a complaint if you would have been fine based upon the former schedule.
If you can get someone to "sit " for you then we'll be seeing the biggest account buying scandal ever. The dirty laundry poker will have after this will make the Gold/Crispin controversy seem mild.
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Very thoughtful post, Erik. If I may expound on some of your thoughts and relating to Daniel’s pros. I’m not sure media attention will help the UIGEA. In an election year, it can’t see it being any kind of banner anyone (other than us) would take into political battle. Typical issues are going to rule the day: economy, taxes, healthcare, gas prices, War on Terror, etc. Along those lines, I’m not sure the degenerate angle will hold much affect either. It doesn’t seem to interfere with the strength and popularity of either Hip Hop or Hard Rock music genres, which seem to gain some “street cred” with negative publicity. UIGEA is a lobbyist battle, fought and being won probably by the likes of Harrah’s right now. Although if that’s true, I think it’s very short sided of them, as strong internet poker will trickle down to stronger casino interest. Perhaps they aren’t on the opposite side of this? -more hype and build up for pokers premiere event (Only for those already in the game. Little impact for those not already interested in poker) I have to disagree with this from the stand point that The Moneymaker effect had a profound impact on the poker world, and as the popularity has plateaued, another idea such as this may indeed bring a renewed interest, and reach even further. No, we’re not going to see the jump that the Moneymaker effect had, but it will have an effect. -better ratings for the final episode (Essentially only helps corporations not the players as the players dont share in this increased revenue) I must agree with you here, and why Daniel mentions it, I’m not really sure, just stating the obvious, I suppose. 9 of the players MAY get a bump from it in some form of notoriety, but, I doubt that translates into much for anything in the game, or for players 3-9, who largely go forgotten. -makes the WSOP final table more of a sporting event rather than a documentary (I disagree with this. Poker is NOT a sport. Its a game. Trying to make it a sport is the wrong move, IMO) Again, I agree with the premise that poker isn’t a sport, it’s a game. Don’t make it a sport. But, I do agree with Daniel that making it an EVENT, not a documentary, is a positive, will generate interest, which will bring money into the game, be it more players, or corporate. It doesn’t have to be a sport players to still want the game to flourish, and offer better opportunities. -follows even more of a reality TV model that has proven to be successful in attracting fans (This helps players how? It helps the game how? if anything it 'Hollywoodizes' poker which may not be a good thing. OK so we may get a few more characters like Phil Helmuth.May help bring people to the game, but then again hasnt method already been achieved 2-4 years ago? Reality TV is on the decline, by the way.) Again, Daniel seems to be falling for the corporate line more here, that being ESPN. Obviously players like Daniel think the sport needs more visibility, and while that’s great for them and their endorsement deals, I do share your concern of “to what end?” I will argue though, that Reality TV is only on the decline because they’ve tried just about every frickin’ thing they can, there’s very little new under the sun. I do agree with Daniel, that this is along those lines for viewer excitement. But, at the expense of drastically changing the game, that we agree on Erik. I’m not comfortable with that either. Daniel goes on to say “lets try it, if it don’t work, we’ll go back”. Sounds “safe” enough. But, I’m not sure you let this genie out, the corporations will let you put it back without a fight, or without it failing miserably. It will be here for as long as they deem it profitable. Players be damned. The main point of poker is the money, and there’s always someone working it to get all they can. No difference here. I think this is a battle that we’ll be able to assess who was right at the end of it, but, it’s going to have to play out. I doubt if the winning side will let the other side live it down, regardless of outcome. In all, I don't think the WSOP ME is at all the "main event" that it was originally. It has become a vehicle to popularize and promote poker, for good or bad. The $50k H.O.R.S.E is a much better reflection of the true "champion" of poker, and as such, I can take or leave what they do to the WSOP ME personally. Edited by youmullethead - 02-May-2008 at 10:19am |
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Posted: 02-May-2008 at 10:19am |
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